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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:38 pm 
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for first excuse me for bad language i am italian....

i want replicate this "betbotpro" setting :

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in "the staking machine" software...

are this setting right ?

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thanks in advance...


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 Post subject: Recovery
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:39 am 
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It looks right..But to make sure, have you got some sample data in betbotpro ? A simple spreadsheet with the stakes used in betbotpro that your after. We can check that TSM produces the same stakes.


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 Post subject: Re: Recovery
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:37 am 
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support wrote:
It looks right..But to make sure, have you got some sample data in betbotpro ? A simple spreadsheet with the stakes used in betbotpro that your after. We can check that TSM produces the same stakes.


ok i have PM for you with requested data...
thanks for your great support !!


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 Post subject: difference
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:48 am 
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I've looked at the data and i dont understand how betbotpro calculates its stake. Its obviously different to TSM. i cant find any description on their website either. As an example - This is from your spreadsheet

Selection Stake Odds Profit
1. Deanos Zidane 1.00 4.5 (3.50)
3. Mckays Champ 3.10 3.25 3.10
4. A Good Excuse 3.10 2.72 (5.33)

Forget about commission at the moment. If the loss is £3.50. And you are trying to recover the loss over 2 bets. (forget cycles as thats only important if we lose again), then the amount your trying to recover per bet is £3.50 / 2 = £1.75
Even when trying to recover the initial stake as well this only increases to £2.75.

Their stake of £3.10 is obviously calculated differently. Not sure what they have done though.


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 Post subject: Re: difference
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:22 pm 
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support wrote:
I've looked at the data and i dont understand how betbotpro calculates its stake. Its obviously different to TSM. i cant find any description on their website either. As an example - This is from your spreadsheet

Selection Stake Odds Profit
1. Deanos Zidane 1.00 4.5 (3.50)
3. Mckays Champ 3.10 3.25 3.10
4. A Good Excuse 3.10 2.72 (5.33)

Forget about commission at the moment. If the loss is £3.50. And you are trying to recover the loss over 2 bets. (forget cycles as thats only important if we lose again), then the amount your trying to recover per bet is £3.50 / 2 = £1.75
Even when trying to recover the initial stake as well this only increases to £2.75.

Their stake of £3.10 is obviously calculated differently. Not sure what they have done though.


if you want you can download a betbotpro trial ,in the file there is a pdf document with instruction how to work any staking plan in betbotpro....
thanks in advance...


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 Post subject: betbotpro
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:00 pm 
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From the betbotpro manual -

They are using a recovery setting of 50% over 2 bets and 2 cycles. Starting unit is 1.

Bet loses at odds of 4.3. Loss is therefore 3.3

There calculations for next stake is

50% x 3.3 + 1(stake for current bet) = 2.65

This is the same in TSM as using 100% recovery. So thats where the difference is.

i.e. we are recovering 100% of the loss over 2 bets.
3.3 / 2 = 1.65 + 1(recover original stake ticked) = 2.65

If you were to select 50% in TSM you would only recover 50% of 3.3 so it would be 3.3 x 50% and then divided by 2.

Can't say i agree there way is correct though !


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 Post subject: Re: betbotpro
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:58 pm 
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support wrote:
From the betbotpro manual -

They are using a recovery setting of 50% over 2 bets and 2 cycles. Starting unit is 1.

Bet loses at odds of 4.3. Loss is therefore 3.3

There calculations for next stake is

50% x 3.3 + 1(stake for current bet) = 2.65

This is the same in TSM as using 100% recovery. So thats where the difference is.

i.e. we are recovering 100% of the loss over 2 bets.
3.3 / 2 = 1.65 + 1(recover original stake ticked) = 2.65

If you were to select 50% in TSM you would only recover 50% of 3.3 so it would be 3.3 x 50% and then divided by 2.

Can't say i agree there way is correct though !


if i apply a 60% recovery in betbotpro , i have to set 120% in the staking machine ? is this correct ?


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 Post subject: 60%
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:41 pm 
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Yes i believe it would be. That is how the first cycle works. But after that, once the second cycle kicks in following another loss, the calculations are different again. And they dont explain how it is done. They are different staking plans.


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